« St. Catherine of Sienna Feast Day/ "Be a Manly Man" | Main | More on Tufts Forum - Naser Khader from Denmark »

April 29, 2007

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d83452afad69e200d834de5e6653ef

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Tufts Forum on Islam and Democracies - Smashing!:

Comments

A Sceptic but interested Reader

I'll look forward to reading your transcript of these proceedings; however, I take the strongest possible issue with your own statement that:

"We can support these reformers by...being careful to criticise Islamists, not Islam."

That is an absurd premise. The problem at the core is Islam itself, its doctrines and the conduct, words and character of Muhammad who is regarded as the 'perfect man', the example to all Moslems and in whose names terrorists commit their atrocities in direct imitation of his career as a warlord, mass murderer, rapist, paedophile, slave owner/trader, racist and religious bigot. The doctrines, such as 'taqiyya' (lies told to give a false, positive image of Islam), abrogation (by which certain verses take prominence over others) and especially Jihad (which is clearly not an 'inner struggle' to become a better Moslem!) but a violent warfare to institute a worldwide islamic state under sharia law --- these are doctrines and actions which emphatically should be criticised, along with degradation of females and children (Muhammad's marriage to Aisha at 6 and consummation of it when she was 9 and he 54 is the basis of laws in several Moslem lands allowing for child brides aged 9 or lower with 'parental consent.'
The blunt fact is that to make Islam palatable and bearable in the modern world, one must remove most of the Koran, ahadith and Sira. Not likely.
"At least 75% of the Sira is about jihad. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari's Hadith is about jihad and politics. Religion is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts. Even Hell is political. There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings --- murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak against Islam. Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader."

Source: www.newenglishreview.org

Somebody has their work cut out for them.

mis kelly

Your point is well taken. You are, of course, spot-on. I don't know a better way to phrase what I said. I want to avoid a blanket slam against Islam. How do we leave room for reformers if we dismiss the religion entirely?

Yup, we all have our work cut out for us, whether it's those working towards religious reform or those engaged in self-defense against the revivalists.

miss kelly

Let me also add that last month I attended a Ford Hall forum on "Voices from the Moderate Muslim Majority" and I could not have been more disappointed.

http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=3372

The two speakers, Mona Eltahaway and Harvard's Ali Asani, both basically said that there's no threat by radical Muslims in the US, it's just Islamophobia, the media only covers the angry bearded Muslims, don't worry - be happy. It was such a crock. The speakers at the Tufts Forum, on the other hand, named names, and pointed out the injustices perpetrated by Islamic revivalists, against women, against Muslims and non-Muslims alike. They clearly stated that the Islamic revivalists truly are a threat to all of us and our democratic society. The contrast couldn't have been greater at these two events!

A Sceptic but interested reader

I suggest you read a topic on www.dhimmiwatch.org which is just up, regarding the fact that Tufts faculty object to the student newspaper printing facts about Islam. Please read the comments of the readers which follow this topic. You will note that Hugh Fitzgerald comments that considerable attention (by "an investigative journalist") should be directed to the funds received by Tufts for the Fares Lectures held at Tufts. I realise you are hopeful of 'moderate' Moslems finding some form of 'moderate islam.' There is none but I think it better that you investigate the money trails which tie academia to Islam, and not to any 'moderate' version of it. This is a concerted attempt, nation-wide, and world-wide, to prevent any discussion of Islam, its warlord Muhammad or its history. That is because, once known by the general public, the realisation will come that we are dealing with a political ideology of great intolerance and threat, not a religion. At the very least, Islam's present status as a 'religion' (and thereby, its tax-free status) should be removed, and it should be reclassified as an ideology. Whether you choose to post this or not is your decision: if it conflicts with your own agenda, you will not. But you can not plead ignorance of the truth.

The comments to this entry are closed.

September 2011

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
        1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30  
Blog powered by Typepad