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wendy

To me, it sounds more like outer explosions than inner striving.

Anis

its amazing how many websites and blogs are there against islam. Even more amazing is how Islam keeps growing more and more. Your writing up there is out of ignorance and hatred. I thot catholism had people like Mother Teresa, but your kind exist in there too. Guess its not the religion its the followers who messed up.

Kobayashi Maru

you are not crazy.

Sissy Willis

You should be beaten -- but not on the face -- for saying such things! :-)

Kobayashi Maru

Anis writes:
>"its [sic] amazing how many websites and blogs are there against islam"

If one could say that solid journalistic digging and pulling various threads together made one "against" islam that would prove what, exactly?

>"Even more amazing is how Islam keeps growing more and more."

Are you asserting, anis, that growth is proof of truth and/or righteousness? You might want to think carefully about where that argument leads and what else might be defended by it before you make it.

>"Your [sic] writing up there is out of ignorance and hatred.

What exactly has she said that is incorrect? Please enlighten us. What has she said that is objectively hateful? (Your choice at how to perceive it doesn't count.)

>"I thot [sic] catholism [sic] had people like Mother Teresa, but your kind exist in there too."

Weren't you just saying something about being ignorant and hateful? I must have missed your prescription for how that principle ought to be applied. ;-)

>"Guess its [sic] not the religion its [sic] the followers who [are] messed up."

Now you're on to something. It is *mankind* that is messed up: http://tinyurl.com/2xg7vx

anis

"If one could say that solid journalistic digging and pulling various threads together made one "against" islam that would prove what, exactly?"

There is no problem with journalistic digging, if its done for the sake of finding correct and right information, but there is a problem if this digging is done solely for the purpose of finding negetive aspect of something or someone. For example, the blog here, Kelly must have found numerous good things about Dr. Badawi, but none of it was mentioned. The only part mentioned were extracts from the lines , not even his whole view but the view that the author of this blog thot would present Dr. Badawi in negetive light. This is not Solid journalistic digging, this is lying.

"Are you asserting, anis, that growth is proof of truth and/or righteousness? You might want to think carefully about where that argument leads and what else might be defended by it before you make it."

Yes, i am asserting the truth and righteousness.And i am asserting that irrespective of the propaganda against Islam, people find the reality and come to Islam. Please dont tell me how and what to think.

"What exactly has she said that is incorrect? Please enlighten us. What has she said that is objectively hateful? (Your choice at how to perceive it doesn't count.)"

Its not what she said thats incorrect,but how she said is. All the statements of Dr. Badawi that she put have been extracted out and put out there out of context. There is no information on what Dr. Badawi talking was talking about or what he said before that line and what did he say after that line. I am not even sure if these are complete lines.

"Weren't you just saying something about being ignorant and hateful? I must have missed your prescription for how that principle ought to be applied. ;-)"

Yes,I was. And I am still saygin it. The purpose of this article was simply to put Dr. Badawi who is a very respected scholar, in a bad light. Even though most likely she has nothign to do with him. Its only the fact that he is a muslim, that motivates her to try to slander him.

miss kelly

Anis, it's not slander to quote a man from his own writings. If you want the context of Badawi's stated beliefs on wife beating, apostasy and polgamy, then click on the link above for each statement.

I don't care what the "context" is, it is WRONG to beat your wife. Period. What is the outcome of a popular, prominent scholar saying it's OK to beat your wife? The outcome is bruised, battered women, and battered children too. It's disgraceful that Badawi supports beating women, and this mentality has no place at MIT, or anywhere else in the U.S.

I'm picking on Salafi/Wahabi/Ikhwan Islamists in the Boston area on my blog, not all Muslims. In numbers, Muslims are by far the greatest victims of the warped mentality of Islamic fundamentalists.

Anis

Haah, thankyou very much for those links for some reason i overlooked them. I read the articles and now i am more convinced that you are about picking on muslims or according to you Salafi/Wahabi/Ikhwan muslims. I would ask you and everyone of your readers to go and read the article in the link with an open mind and try to understand what Dr. Badawi is talking about. I completely agree with you that Beating ones wife or for that matter anyone is straight up wrong. And after reading the article, i know that Dr. Badawi emphasises that too.

So Yes! i was right, You were lying about Dr. Badawi and yes that is slander.

Btw do you even know what Salafi/wahabi/Ikhwan mean?? Or did you read about them like you did about Dr. Badawi? ooh or was it Fox news!!

wendy

Anis, I think I can see what you mean since the article in question advocates "lightly tapping" and not outright beating. I can only speak for myself here, but the problem I have with that is that I might "lightly tap" my husband or a friend to get their attention; it's hard to understand "light tapping" in the context of a punishment which is meant to be a last resort (as Dr. Badawi's article makes clear).

Therefore, either the light tapping is completely ineffective, if it is in fact only light tapping, or it is used in many men's minds to justify more severe behavior. Either way, I still don't understand why he would advocate that.

miss kelly

Anis, I use the terms Salafi and Ikhwan, which were used by a local Pakistani and an Egyptian, respectively, in correspondence with me. Both men are concerned with the narrow-minded, intolerant Islam that they see increasing in area mosques.

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